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		<title>By: The Lost Dog by Michelle de Kretser &#171; ANZ LitLovers LitBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Lost Dog by Michelle de Kretser &#171; ANZ LitLovers LitBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reviews of TLD are at Asylum, The Age, Matilda and The Mooksie &amp; the Gripes. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)BBRLM July 2008Michelle de Kretser&#8217;s The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am quite looking forward to your review of The Secret Scripture (and glad I could make this post before I see it).  I think The Lost Dog and The Secret Scripture are very similar books, each deeply flawed, which require readers to overlook those flaws to truly appreciate the book.  In both cases, the reader ends up with a very good book but boy, there is a lot of effort along the way.

So, having now set you up to defend a flawed book (I didn&#039;t really do that -- just a joke), I am looking forward to your thoughts.  And I very much appreciate the way that you have led the discussion on The Lost Dog, a book that I quite like but which I have to admit has its weaknesses.  It takes a truly good reader to spot strengths in a book even when it does not succeed for that reader.  You have done that job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite looking forward to your review of The Secret Scripture (and glad I could make this post before I see it).  I think The Lost Dog and The Secret Scripture are very similar books, each deeply flawed, which require readers to overlook those flaws to truly appreciate the book.  In both cases, the reader ends up with a very good book but boy, there is a lot of effort along the way.</p>
<p>So, having now set you up to defend a flawed book (I didn&#8217;t really do that &#8212; just a joke), I am looking forward to your thoughts.  And I very much appreciate the way that you have led the discussion on The Lost Dog, a book that I quite like but which I have to admit has its weaknesses.  It takes a truly good reader to spot strengths in a book even when it does not succeed for that reader.  You have done that job.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Berrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor Berrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, hi Readhead, I see I missed your post while typing my own here.  I&#039;m hoping that the judging panel won&#039;t go that way too easily.  While I didn&#039;t enjoy the first books I read on the longlist, the last few have been very good (not quite up to what I hope to read in a Booker book - but still very good books).

It will be nice to see what the shortlist is.  If they allow &lt;em&gt;Child 44&lt;/em&gt; to go on it, we&#039;ll know we&#039;ve got some serious compromising going on (or the judges really are inept).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, hi Readhead, I see I missed your post while typing my own here.  I&#8217;m hoping that the judging panel won&#8217;t go that way too easily.  While I didn&#8217;t enjoy the first books I read on the longlist, the last few have been very good (not quite up to what I hope to read in a Booker book &#8211; but still very good books).</p>
<p>It will be nice to see what the shortlist is.  If they allow <em>Child 44</em> to go on it, we&#8217;ll know we&#8217;ve got some serious compromising going on (or the judges really are inept).</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Berrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor Berrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, thanks for your insight on the last 100 pages.  I definitely appreciate that there are many who found this to be a powerful book.  I&#039;m sure much of my dislike comes from not connecting with the character.  I never did find anything to connect with in Tom Loxley, which is also what happened to me last year in &lt;em&gt;The Gathering&lt;/em&gt;.  I felt in that case and in this case that the author was trying to get me to sympathize with a character I didn&#039;t want to sympathize with.  Here, for example, Tom doesn&#039;t seem to love anyone as much as he loves that dog, which is fine, but then I couldn&#039;t follow the metaphor anymore.

But, hey, I agree with Max.  I have strong feelings about this book, just like I had strong feelings about &lt;em&gt;The Gathering&lt;/em&gt; last year.  That makes my relationship with it much more substantial than the one I have with, say, &lt;em&gt;A Case of Exploding Mangoes&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;The White Tiger&lt;/em&gt;, both of which are entirely forgettable to me.

By the way, I appreciate your comparison to &lt;em&gt;The Secret Scripture&lt;/em&gt;.  My review will go up tomorrow (this evening for you in Canada).  There I actually liked the book as a whole and accepted the ending despite my initial frown at the author.  Very interesting comparison!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, thanks for your insight on the last 100 pages.  I definitely appreciate that there are many who found this to be a powerful book.  I&#8217;m sure much of my dislike comes from not connecting with the character.  I never did find anything to connect with in Tom Loxley, which is also what happened to me last year in <em>The Gathering</em>.  I felt in that case and in this case that the author was trying to get me to sympathize with a character I didn&#8217;t want to sympathize with.  Here, for example, Tom doesn&#8217;t seem to love anyone as much as he loves that dog, which is fine, but then I couldn&#8217;t follow the metaphor anymore.</p>
<p>But, hey, I agree with Max.  I have strong feelings about this book, just like I had strong feelings about <em>The Gathering</em> last year.  That makes my relationship with it much more substantial than the one I have with, say, <em>A Case of Exploding Mangoes</em> or <em>The White Tiger</em>, both of which are entirely forgettable to me.</p>
<p>By the way, I appreciate your comparison to <em>The Secret Scripture</em>.  My review will go up tomorrow (this evening for you in Canada).  There I actually liked the book as a whole and accepted the ending despite my initial frown at the author.  Very interesting comparison!</p>
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		<title>By: redheadrambles</title>
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		<dc:creator>redheadrambles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max - This is an astute observation and I think I have read somewhere of exactly this situation occurring on one of the judging panels. If this holds true this year then  The Lost Dog is unlikely to win but something like A Case of Exploding Mangoes may.
I wonder how we could restructure the judging process to prevent this kind of thing occurring?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max &#8211; This is an astute observation and I think I have read somewhere of exactly this situation occurring on one of the judging panels. If this holds true this year then  The Lost Dog is unlikely to win but something like A Case of Exploding Mangoes may.<br />
I wonder how we could restructure the judging process to prevent this kind of thing occurring?.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Cairnduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a comment on something Kevin says there, I don&#039;t think the Booker prizewinner need be a book that everyone likes.  A great work in my view will provoke reactions in readers, but not all readers may have positive reactions.  To me what would be fatal would be if a book provoked no strong reaction at all, like or dislike.

Indeed, I sometimes wonder if a slightly blander book wins because the great works also in the shortlist are too divisive to get a majority of the judging panel behind them, leading to a compromise winner that was perhaps nobody&#039;s first choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a comment on something Kevin says there, I don&#8217;t think the Booker prizewinner need be a book that everyone likes.  A great work in my view will provoke reactions in readers, but not all readers may have positive reactions.  To me what would be fatal would be if a book provoked no strong reaction at all, like or dislike.</p>
<p>Indeed, I sometimes wonder if a slightly blander book wins because the great works also in the shortlist are too divisive to get a majority of the judging panel behind them, leading to a compromise winner that was perhaps nobody&#8217;s first choice.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor:  You know I like this book and I know you don&#039;t like it.  I don&#039;t think either of us is wrong.  Here is my explanation of why the last 100 pages, which you hate, work:

If de Krester has successfully established the character of Tom (which I would suggest she did for me and not for you), the last 100 pages become a story of resolution for that character -- with his past, his mother, Nelly, all that surrounds her and, yes, the dog.  If you are sympathetic to his character, that works.  If you are not -- and I can certainly understand those who are not -- I&#039;ll admit those pages are horrible.  For me, I think a comparison with The Secret Scripture is appropriate at this point.  Barry lost me with his characters and his ending -- I only wish that, like those who think it is a good book, I was able to put up with the flaws of the ending.

And even if I don&#039;t like your conclusion, I would salute this as a fine review.  This is definitely not a book for everyone and for that reason probably does not deserve to win the Booker.  For some of us, it is a very powerful novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor:  You know I like this book and I know you don&#8217;t like it.  I don&#8217;t think either of us is wrong.  Here is my explanation of why the last 100 pages, which you hate, work:</p>
<p>If de Krester has successfully established the character of Tom (which I would suggest she did for me and not for you), the last 100 pages become a story of resolution for that character &#8212; with his past, his mother, Nelly, all that surrounds her and, yes, the dog.  If you are sympathetic to his character, that works.  If you are not &#8212; and I can certainly understand those who are not &#8212; I&#8217;ll admit those pages are horrible.  For me, I think a comparison with The Secret Scripture is appropriate at this point.  Barry lost me with his characters and his ending &#8212; I only wish that, like those who think it is a good book, I was able to put up with the flaws of the ending.</p>
<p>And even if I don&#8217;t like your conclusion, I would salute this as a fine review.  This is definitely not a book for everyone and for that reason probably does not deserve to win the Booker.  For some of us, it is a very powerful novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloggers take on the Booker longlist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggers take on the Booker longlist</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Trevor Berrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor Berrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redhead, yep, that is a pingback.  And I sure don&#039;t mind that it shows up in the comments here.  Hopefully people will visit your review from here!

And about the plot resolution: I wasn&#039;t really expecting &quot;resolution&quot; as that word is often used.  I love novels that remain unresolved, but I hope they leave me thinking, and this one didn&#039;t.

However, I definitely get what you say about liking select passages.  I loved some of the stuff from the middle of the book.  Oh well!  I&#039;ve been much more pleased with the last two longlist titles I&#039;ve read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redhead, yep, that is a pingback.  And I sure don&#8217;t mind that it shows up in the comments here.  Hopefully people will visit your review from here!</p>
<p>And about the plot resolution: I wasn&#8217;t really expecting &#8220;resolution&#8221; as that word is often used.  I love novels that remain unresolved, but I hope they leave me thinking, and this one didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>However, I definitely get what you say about liking select passages.  I loved some of the stuff from the middle of the book.  Oh well!  I&#8217;ve been much more pleased with the last two longlist titles I&#8217;ve read.</p>
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		<title>By: redheadrambles</title>
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		<dc:creator>redheadrambles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a curious thing, whenever I link to one of your reviews on my blog you get a link in your comments, as above, is that a &quot;pingback&quot;?. I am not sure how to avoid that...

After posting my review I have now come to study yours and discovered you really disliked this one! I also had moments of intense dislike as I was reading The Lost Dog, I think this was in part because my expectations had been set somewhat by my very positive experience with The Hamilton Case - a much easier read. However, as I wrote my review I found I was admiring the novel more and more. I certainly didn&#039;t feel as let down as you re the last 100 pages of the book - I decided early on than I wasn&#039;t reading this expecting a satisfying plot resolution but rather took to admiring select passages, scattered throughout the book - it felt a little like appreciating abstract art..
Your much quoted line of : &quot;because it is hard to read, sounds profound; when we finally get it, we mistake our pleasure with our own ability for pleasure with the author’s ability&quot; has got me thinking however...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a curious thing, whenever I link to one of your reviews on my blog you get a link in your comments, as above, is that a &#8220;pingback&#8221;?. I am not sure how to avoid that&#8230;</p>
<p>After posting my review I have now come to study yours and discovered you really disliked this one! I also had moments of intense dislike as I was reading The Lost Dog, I think this was in part because my expectations had been set somewhat by my very positive experience with The Hamilton Case &#8211; a much easier read. However, as I wrote my review I found I was admiring the novel more and more. I certainly didn&#8217;t feel as let down as you re the last 100 pages of the book &#8211; I decided early on than I wasn&#8217;t reading this expecting a satisfying plot resolution but rather took to admiring select passages, scattered throughout the book &#8211; it felt a little like appreciating abstract art..<br />
Your much quoted line of : &#8220;because it is hard to read, sounds profound; when we finally get it, we mistake our pleasure with our own ability for pleasure with the author’s ability&#8221; has got me thinking however&#8230;</p>
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