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		<title>By: Ronak M Soni</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2008/10/30/albert-camuss-the-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-4302</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronak M Soni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda agree with you, Max, which is why I love that last chapter so much. It&#039;s just that the trial irked me way more than I was willing to take because of the reasons I&#039;ve already said. (everyone else he&#039;s talking about the comment thread &lt;a href=&quot;http://ronakmsoni.wordpress.com/2009/09/27/the-outsider-by-albert-camus/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda agree with you, Max, which is why I love that last chapter so much. It&#8217;s just that the trial irked me way more than I was willing to take because of the reasons I&#8217;ve already said. (everyone else he&#8217;s talking about the comment thread <a href="http://ronakmsoni.wordpress.com/2009/09/27/the-outsider-by-albert-camus/" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Cairnduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, when I reread it I&#039;ll need to follow this:

“I had a precise plan when I began my work. What I wanted to express first was negation. In three ways: in novel form (which produced The Outsider); in theatrical form (which produced Caligula and Cross Purposes); and in essay form (The Myth of Sisyphus). Then I foresaw three more works expressing positive values: in the form of a novel (The Plague); as theatre (State of Siege and Les Justes); and in an essay (Rebellion and Revolt). I also dimly projected a third layer of writing, on the theme of love.”

Though I hate reading plays, I love seeing them performed but I get no pleasure from reading them.  Still, off to thebookdepository to pick up The Myth of Sisyphus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, when I reread it I&#8217;ll need to follow this:</p>
<p>“I had a precise plan when I began my work. What I wanted to express first was negation. In three ways: in novel form (which produced The Outsider); in theatrical form (which produced Caligula and Cross Purposes); and in essay form (The Myth of Sisyphus). Then I foresaw three more works expressing positive values: in the form of a novel (The Plague); as theatre (State of Siege and Les Justes); and in an essay (Rebellion and Revolt). I also dimly projected a third layer of writing, on the theme of love.”</p>
<p>Though I hate reading plays, I love seeing them performed but I get no pleasure from reading them.  Still, off to thebookdepository to pick up The Myth of Sisyphus.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2008/10/30/albert-camuss-the-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-4300</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Cairnduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ronak,

I recall discussing this on your blog, I do think this is a very precise work, one that does exactly what it sets out to do.

As you probably noticed from yours, I&#039;m actually quite a fan of this, I think it&#039;s a bit of a masterpiece.

I don&#039;t think though it&#039;s a wholly naturalistic novel, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary that we believe it could happen as depicted, it&#039;s an examination for me more of what it means to live free of illusion - whether that&#039;s even possible. 

Well, it&#039;s that among several other things, it&#039;s a dense work.  As I said over at yours, I clearly have to reread it (particularly as I misremembered a detail about the ending, though not ultimately I think a dispositive one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ronak,</p>
<p>I recall discussing this on your blog, I do think this is a very precise work, one that does exactly what it sets out to do.</p>
<p>As you probably noticed from yours, I&#8217;m actually quite a fan of this, I think it&#8217;s a bit of a masterpiece.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think though it&#8217;s a wholly naturalistic novel, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary that we believe it could happen as depicted, it&#8217;s an examination for me more of what it means to live free of illusion &#8211; whether that&#8217;s even possible. </p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s that among several other things, it&#8217;s a dense work.  As I said over at yours, I clearly have to reread it (particularly as I misremembered a detail about the ending, though not ultimately I think a dispositive one).</p>
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		<title>By: Ronak M Soni</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2008/10/30/albert-camuss-the-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-4297</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronak M Soni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;ll take your word for it (don&#039;t mind if I reserve judgment; I&#039;m one of the people who don&#039;t know what he was doing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;ll take your word for it (don&#8217;t mind if I reserve judgment; I&#8217;m one of the people who don&#8217;t know what he was doing).</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2008/10/30/albert-camuss-the-stranger/comment-page-1/#comment-4296</link>
		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked it out, Ronak.  I&#039;m pretty sure Camus knew exactly what he was doing -- the comments on this post are from people who don&#039;t know anything at all about what he was doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked it out, Ronak.  I&#8217;m pretty sure Camus knew exactly what he was doing &#8212; the comments on this post are from people who don&#8217;t know anything at all about what he was doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronak M Soni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronak M Soni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this book almost a month ago (the same edition as adevotedreader), and I liked it but not much, because it really seemed to me that Camus wasn&#039;t trying hard enough to convince the reader that the stuff in the novel could be happening. Also, I have to congratulate Ward on the &#039;maman&#039; spot. Makes perfect sense.

@kevinfromcanada: Check &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldliteratureforum.com/forum/european-literature/682-albert-camus-outsider-2.html#post37799&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; out. It really seems that Camus didn&#039;t know what he was doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this book almost a month ago (the same edition as adevotedreader), and I liked it but not much, because it really seemed to me that Camus wasn&#8217;t trying hard enough to convince the reader that the stuff in the novel could be happening. Also, I have to congratulate Ward on the &#8216;maman&#8217; spot. Makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>@kevinfromcanada: Check <a href="http://www.worldliteratureforum.com/forum/european-literature/682-albert-camus-outsider-2.html#post37799" rel="nofollow">this</a> out. It really seems that Camus didn&#8217;t know what he was doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found your comments on the translation very interesting.  I am not good at recognising quality in translation, but your point about the use of Maman is intriguing.

A more formal reference to a parent might be expected, such as mother or &lt;i&gt;mere.&lt;/i&gt;  That Mersault does not make that adjustment for the benefit of his audience is hugely relevant.

Kevin&#039;s comments are very helpful for the relative newcomer to Camus (that would be me) and thanks to &lt;i&gt;Hungry like the Woolf&lt;/i&gt; for sending me here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found your comments on the translation very interesting.  I am not good at recognising quality in translation, but your point about the use of Maman is intriguing.</p>
<p>A more formal reference to a parent might be expected, such as mother or <i>mere.</i>  That Mersault does not make that adjustment for the benefit of his audience is hugely relevant.</p>
<p>Kevin&#8217;s comments are very helpful for the relative newcomer to Camus (that would be me) and thanks to <i>Hungry like the Woolf</i> for sending me here.</p>
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		<title>By: My Favorite Lit-Blog Things: August 27, 2009 &#171; Hungry Like the Woolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Favorite Lit-Blog Things: August 27, 2009 &#171; Hungry Like the Woolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his book The Stranger or, alternatively, The Outsider. The reviews are at Sarah&#8217;s Books and The Mookse and The Gripes (whose review sparked a very long and informative [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his book The Stranger or, alternatively, The Outsider. The reviews are at Sarah&#8217;s Books and The Mookse and The Gripes (whose review sparked a very long and informative [...]</p>
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		<title>By: booklit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; James M. Cain: The Postman Always Rings Twice</title>
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		<dc:creator>booklit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; James M. Cain: The Postman Always Rings Twice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on from a recent review of Albert Camus&#8217; L&#8217;Étranger at Mookse, I was struck by something read in the comment - that Camus took his inspiration from an American [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on from a recent review of Albert Camus&#8217; L&#8217;Étranger at Mookse, I was struck by something read in the comment &#8211; that Camus took his inspiration from an American [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This debate motivated me to return to The Myth of Sisyphus, which was also published in 1942.  I particularly wanted to revisit the section subtitled Drama, where Camus argues that taking part in drama enables an actor to escape from &quot;the absurd&quot;, find another world for two or three hours and then return.

The revisit provokes a number of observations.  I had forgotten how often Camus references Dostoevsky.  And I had forgotten his section on Don Juan, so Cervantes if obviously an influence.  And the essay includes an appendix on Kafka, so we can add him in.  He makes no reference to Cain in the essay but I think Max raises a very good point -- the &quot;noir&quot; fiction would have struck a responsive chord and the French did understand it in a different way than Americans did.  It is particularly interesting that Postman, a few years after this, became a movie -- which would link Camus&#039; notion of fiction and performance as an important counterpart to a philosophical essay.

I think the essay shows the importance of looking at L&#039;Etranger as the beginning of a process, which has a number of streams, rather than a work that stands by itself.  When you look at the stream of influences that Camus identifies in the essay -- coupled with the simultaneous publication of L&#039;Etranger -- I don&#039;t think any other conclusion is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This debate motivated me to return to The Myth of Sisyphus, which was also published in 1942.  I particularly wanted to revisit the section subtitled Drama, where Camus argues that taking part in drama enables an actor to escape from &#8220;the absurd&#8221;, find another world for two or three hours and then return.</p>
<p>The revisit provokes a number of observations.  I had forgotten how often Camus references Dostoevsky.  And I had forgotten his section on Don Juan, so Cervantes if obviously an influence.  And the essay includes an appendix on Kafka, so we can add him in.  He makes no reference to Cain in the essay but I think Max raises a very good point &#8212; the &#8220;noir&#8221; fiction would have struck a responsive chord and the French did understand it in a different way than Americans did.  It is particularly interesting that Postman, a few years after this, became a movie &#8212; which would link Camus&#8217; notion of fiction and performance as an important counterpart to a philosophical essay.</p>
<p>I think the essay shows the importance of looking at L&#8217;Etranger as the beginning of a process, which has a number of streams, rather than a work that stands by itself.  When you look at the stream of influences that Camus identifies in the essay &#8212; coupled with the simultaneous publication of L&#8217;Etranger &#8212; I don&#8217;t think any other conclusion is possible.</p>
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