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	<title>Comments on: Raymond Chandler: The Big Sleep</title>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2009/07/30/raymond-chandlers-the-big-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-4631</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duly noted, Logan :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duly noted, Logan :).</p>
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		<title>By: logan</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2009/07/30/raymond-chandlers-the-big-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-4628</link>
		<dc:creator>logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hate the stupid big sleep!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2009/07/30/raymond-chandlers-the-big-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-3251</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Cairnduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While to an extent I agree, I still wish he&#039;d written more.

The Wodehouse comparison is interesting actually, I regard both as highly skilled prose craftsmen, but it&#039;s the prose you read for, not the plots or characters so much.

Even though, both in fact have memorable characters.

I just rebought The Big Sleep, inspired by this blog. Should arrive in the next week or so, I&#039;m looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While to an extent I agree, I still wish he&#8217;d written more.</p>
<p>The Wodehouse comparison is interesting actually, I regard both as highly skilled prose craftsmen, but it&#8217;s the prose you read for, not the plots or characters so much.</p>
<p>Even though, both in fact have memorable characters.</p>
<p>I just rebought The Big Sleep, inspired by this blog. Should arrive in the next week or so, I&#8217;m looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Self</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2009/07/30/raymond-chandlers-the-big-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-3244</link>
		<dc:creator>John Self</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably.  The other thing is that aside from &lt;em&gt;The Long Good-bye&lt;/em&gt;, Chandler is a little like Wodehouse: read one and you&#039;ve read &#039;em all.  Which is not to detract from his brilliance, but it&#039;s awfully hard to tell them apart after a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably.  The other thing is that aside from <em>The Long Good-bye</em>, Chandler is a little like Wodehouse: read one and you&#8217;ve read &#8216;em all.  Which is not to detract from his brilliance, but it&#8217;s awfully hard to tell them apart after a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2009/07/30/raymond-chandlers-the-big-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-3241</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I didn&#039;t think you&#039;d concede that the hyphen was optional!  I&#039;ve been &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; careful with it :).

By the way, though I have only &lt;em&gt;The Long Good-bye&lt;/em&gt; on my shelf, should I read some other Chandlers first so that I&#039;m not disappointed in them later?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I didn&#8217;t think you&#8217;d concede that the hyphen was optional!  I&#8217;ve been <em>very</em> careful with it :).</p>
<p>By the way, though I have only <em>The Long Good-bye</em> on my shelf, should I read some other Chandlers first so that I&#8217;m not disappointed in them later?</p>
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		<title>By: John Self</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2009/07/30/raymond-chandlers-the-big-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-3240</link>
		<dc:creator>John Self</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, having read four Chandler novels, &lt;em&gt;The Long Good-bye&lt;/em&gt; (hyphen optional ;-) ) is his masterpiece.  I think &lt;em&gt;The Big Sleep&lt;/em&gt; gets attention because it was first, and more famous, and possibly even because it&#039;s one-third shorter.  But &lt;em&gt;The Long Good-bye&lt;/em&gt; is where it&#039;s at.  I look forward to seeing whether you agree, Trevor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, having read four Chandler novels, <em>The Long Good-bye</em> (hyphen optional ;-) ) is his masterpiece.  I think <em>The Big Sleep</em> gets attention because it was first, and more famous, and possibly even because it&#8217;s one-third shorter.  But <em>The Long Good-bye</em> is where it&#8217;s at.  I look forward to seeing whether you agree, Trevor!</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max:  You go to Banff and LA is only another hour or so on the plane.  Knowing your household commitment to wine, I do suspect San Francisco with trips up into Napa and Sonoma is probably a better choice for your first California trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max:  You go to Banff and LA is only another hour or so on the plane.  Knowing your household commitment to wine, I do suspect San Francisco with trips up into Napa and Sonoma is probably a better choice for your first California trip.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2009/07/30/raymond-chandlers-the-big-sleep/comment-page-1/#comment-3161</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Cairnduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicago, by Alaa Al Aswany - author of the rather marvellous The Yacoubian Building - is perhaps unsurprisingly set there.  I haven&#039;t read it yet though, and I&#039;m not sure evocation of the city is the point anyway.

Saul Bellow, well, I do keep meaning to read him.  Thanks both.  I&#039;ll look into Studs Terkel too.

On LA, I&#039;d love to visit, but it is an awfully long way away.  That said, it&#039;s on my list of places to visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicago, by Alaa Al Aswany &#8211; author of the rather marvellous The Yacoubian Building &#8211; is perhaps unsurprisingly set there.  I haven&#8217;t read it yet though, and I&#8217;m not sure evocation of the city is the point anyway.</p>
<p>Saul Bellow, well, I do keep meaning to read him.  Thanks both.  I&#8217;ll look into Studs Terkel too.</p>
<p>On LA, I&#8217;d love to visit, but it is an awfully long way away.  That said, it&#8217;s on my list of places to visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Humboldt&#039;s Gift&lt;/em&gt; also has some great passages about Chicago.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;The temperature was in the nineties, and on hot nights Chicagoans feel the city body and soul.  The stockyards are gone, Chicago is no longer a slaughter-city, but the old smells revive in the night heat.  Miles of railroad siding along the streets once were filled with red cattle cars, the animals waiting to enter the yards lowing and reeking.  The old stink still haunts the place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s strange because even though I&#039;ve only been to Chicago once, this still struck a memory.  Perhaps someone who is from Chicago can say whether it is just me feeling the language or whether that language really is just so precise that it touches upon a collective experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Humboldt&#8217;s Gift</em> also has some great passages about Chicago.  </p>
<blockquote><p>The temperature was in the nineties, and on hot nights Chicagoans feel the city body and soul.  The stockyards are gone, Chicago is no longer a slaughter-city, but the old smells revive in the night heat.  Miles of railroad siding along the streets once were filled with red cattle cars, the animals waiting to enter the yards lowing and reeking.  The old stink still haunts the place.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s strange because even though I&#8217;ve only been to Chicago once, this still struck a memory.  Perhaps someone who is from Chicago can say whether it is just me feeling the language or whether that language really is just so precise that it touches upon a collective experience.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max:  If you haven&#039;t been there, you should plan a trip.  Chandler&#039;s Los Angeles is actually Santa Monica, which is on the shore due west of central LA.  The buildings on the cliff over the sea still have a 1950s Chandler feel to them -- when you go inland a block or two (which is where Marlowe wanders) it is more modern but wandering around you can find places that haven&#039;t changed.

Fante&#039;s LA is the grittier (but still not slum) parts.  Books two and three (sorry -- forget the titles now)are set down by Long Beach and the Port.  Book four is on the north edge of &quot;downtown&quot; near Chinatown and is particularly evocative of that part of the city, with occasional jaunts into Hollywood and Beverley Hills.

My Chicago reference was to Bellow&#039;s The Adventures of Augie March which opens there during the Great Depression:  &quot;I am an American, Chicago born—Chicago, that somber city—and go at things as I have taught myself, free-style, and will make the record in my own way: first to knock, first admitted; sometimes an innocent knock, sometimes a not so innocent. But a man&#039;s character is his fate, says Heraclitus, and in the end there isn&#039;t any way to disguise the nature of the knocks by acoustical work on the door or gloving the knuckles.&quot;

I can&#039;t think of any modern novels set there offhand -- if you haven&#039;t read any Studs Terkel, you might want to look up some columns on the internet.  He is as close as the modern age has come to producing a Runyon and his canvas is Chicago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max:  If you haven&#8217;t been there, you should plan a trip.  Chandler&#8217;s Los Angeles is actually Santa Monica, which is on the shore due west of central LA.  The buildings on the cliff over the sea still have a 1950s Chandler feel to them &#8212; when you go inland a block or two (which is where Marlowe wanders) it is more modern but wandering around you can find places that haven&#8217;t changed.</p>
<p>Fante&#8217;s LA is the grittier (but still not slum) parts.  Books two and three (sorry &#8212; forget the titles now)are set down by Long Beach and the Port.  Book four is on the north edge of &#8220;downtown&#8221; near Chinatown and is particularly evocative of that part of the city, with occasional jaunts into Hollywood and Beverley Hills.</p>
<p>My Chicago reference was to Bellow&#8217;s The Adventures of Augie March which opens there during the Great Depression:  &#8220;I am an American, Chicago born—Chicago, that somber city—and go at things as I have taught myself, free-style, and will make the record in my own way: first to knock, first admitted; sometimes an innocent knock, sometimes a not so innocent. But a man&#8217;s character is his fate, says Heraclitus, and in the end there isn&#8217;t any way to disguise the nature of the knocks by acoustical work on the door or gloving the knuckles.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of any modern novels set there offhand &#8212; if you haven&#8217;t read any Studs Terkel, you might want to look up some columns on the internet.  He is as close as the modern age has come to producing a Runyon and his canvas is Chicago.</p>
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