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	<title>Comments on: Penelope Fitzgerald: Offshore</title>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2010/03/08/penelope-fitzgerald-offshore/comment-page-1/#comment-32623</link>
		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems with Prize shortlists is that they provoke comparisons, which may or may not be fair.  I  think Sam&#039;s is fair in that context (although I disagree with it), but in no way should it be regarded as a fair assessment of this book.  &lt;em&gt;Offshore&lt;/em&gt; is a wonderful study and a very rewarding read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems with Prize shortlists is that they provoke comparisons, which may or may not be fair.  I  think Sam&#8217;s is fair in that context (although I disagree with it), but in no way should it be regarded as a fair assessment of this book.  <em>Offshore</em> is a wonderful study and a very rewarding read.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2010/03/08/penelope-fitzgerald-offshore/comment-page-1/#comment-32595</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great link, Max.  Probably best that, after two more decades of relentless productivity, this episode is somewhat in the past -- though I will note that I&#039;m among the only bloggers on The Complete Booker to have a positive impression of this book (and it remains very positive a year later).  I haven&#039;t read the Golding or the Naipaul, though I&#039;ve read other works by each author.  Based on those, I can see why some in the committee thought they were masterful and others -- well -- not masterful.  

But, we can&#039;t fail to overlook that it was apparently everyone&#039;s second choice, though it also creates divergent views.

I notice John Self&#039;s note above:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I would avoid The Bookshop, which was my first Fitzgerald, and which I thought light and of little substance. That’s doubtless unfair, but I do think it’s more of a ‘straight’ novel (or more grounded, as tolsmted says) than her other work, and less interesting as a consequence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess I forgot about this or just ignored, John, because my next Fitzgerald was &lt;em&gt;The Bookshop&lt;/em&gt;, which I may have enjoyed more than &lt;em&gt;Offshore&lt;/em&gt;.  I now have all of her books and I&#039;m anxious to dip in frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great link, Max.  Probably best that, after two more decades of relentless productivity, this episode is somewhat in the past &#8212; though I will note that I&#8217;m among the only bloggers on The Complete Booker to have a positive impression of this book (and it remains very positive a year later).  I haven&#8217;t read the Golding or the Naipaul, though I&#8217;ve read other works by each author.  Based on those, I can see why some in the committee thought they were masterful and others &#8212; well &#8212; not masterful.  </p>
<p>But, we can&#8217;t fail to overlook that it was apparently everyone&#8217;s second choice, though it also creates divergent views.</p>
<p>I notice John Self&#8217;s note above:</p>
<blockquote><p>I would avoid The Bookshop, which was my first Fitzgerald, and which I thought light and of little substance. That’s doubtless unfair, but I do think it’s more of a ‘straight’ novel (or more grounded, as tolsmted says) than her other work, and less interesting as a consequence.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess I forgot about this or just ignored, John, because my next Fitzgerald was <em>The Bookshop</em>, which I may have enjoyed more than <em>Offshore</em>.  I now have all of her books and I&#8217;m anxious to dip in frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2010/03/08/penelope-fitzgerald-offshore/comment-page-1/#comment-32587</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Cairnduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was checking Sam Jordison&#039;s Booker blogs, and found his one on Offshore:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/mar/13/booker-prize-fitzgerald-offshore

It was that review put me off her, so it&#039;s interesting to see how much you and Kevin enjoyed this one. That link is interesting for the very unfortunate history of how she came to win the Booker which seems to have done her no favours at all. A rather cruel episode from the prize&#039;s history as best I can tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was checking Sam Jordison&#8217;s Booker blogs, and found his one on Offshore:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/mar/13/booker-prize-fitzgerald-offshore" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/mar/13/booker-prize-fitzgerald-offshore</a></p>
<p>It was that review put me off her, so it&#8217;s interesting to see how much you and Kevin enjoyed this one. That link is interesting for the very unfortunate history of how she came to win the Booker which seems to have done her no favours at all. A rather cruel episode from the prize&#8217;s history as best I can tell.</p>
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		<title>By: John Self</title>
		<link>http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/2010/03/08/penelope-fitzgerald-offshore/comment-page-1/#comment-6240</link>
		<dc:creator>John Self</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would avoid &lt;em&gt;The Bookshop&lt;/em&gt;, which was my first Fitzgerald, and which I thought light and of little substance.  That&#039;s doubtless unfair, but I do think it&#039;s more of a &#039;straight&#039; novel (or more grounded, as tolsmted says) than her other work, and less interesting as a consequence.

My next - and to date only other - foray was &lt;a href=&quot;http://theasylum.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/penelope-fitzgerald-the-beginning-of-spring/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Beginning of Spring&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, a book of an altogether different order of magnitude than &lt;em&gt;The Bookshop&lt;/em&gt;, and one which I remember with great fondness, even though I&#039;m quite sure I didn&#039;t really understand it.  But I&#039;d rather have a mysterious, imaginative, brilliantly written book than a run-of-the-mill piece of lit fic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would avoid <em>The Bookshop</em>, which was my first Fitzgerald, and which I thought light and of little substance.  That&#8217;s doubtless unfair, but I do think it&#8217;s more of a &#8216;straight&#8217; novel (or more grounded, as tolsmted says) than her other work, and less interesting as a consequence.</p>
<p>My next &#8211; and to date only other &#8211; foray was <a href="http://theasylum.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/penelope-fitzgerald-the-beginning-of-spring/" rel="nofollow"><em>The Beginning of Spring</em></a>, a book of an altogether different order of magnitude than <em>The Bookshop</em>, and one which I remember with great fondness, even though I&#8217;m quite sure I didn&#8217;t really understand it.  But I&#8217;d rather have a mysterious, imaginative, brilliantly written book than a run-of-the-mill piece of lit fic.</p>
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		<title>By: tolsmted</title>
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		<dc:creator>tolsmted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always had better luck finding Penelope Fitzgerald in used bookshops than finding a new copy.  

My favorites are At Freddie&#039;s (beautiful ending) and The Gate of Angels.  The Blue Flower contained lovely writing, like all her books, but it bothered me.  I think Fitzgerald&#039;s style was always just on the edge of being too ephemeral (if that makes sense?). As if you could wave your hand and scatter all the words, because there wasn&#039;t enough substance to hold them together. That was the case with The Blue Flower - the plot was subordinate to the language. 

I haven&#039;t read The Bookshop yet, but it appears more grounded than her other books.  The same with Offshore, which will probably be my next Fitzgerald novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always had better luck finding Penelope Fitzgerald in used bookshops than finding a new copy.  </p>
<p>My favorites are At Freddie&#8217;s (beautiful ending) and The Gate of Angels.  The Blue Flower contained lovely writing, like all her books, but it bothered me.  I think Fitzgerald&#8217;s style was always just on the edge of being too ephemeral (if that makes sense?). As if you could wave your hand and scatter all the words, because there wasn&#8217;t enough substance to hold them together. That was the case with The Blue Flower &#8211; the plot was subordinate to the language. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read The Bookshop yet, but it appears more grounded than her other books.  The same with Offshore, which will probably be my next Fitzgerald novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting review, thank you. I have not yet read any of this author&#039;s work, but she sounds intriguing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting review, thank you. I have not yet read any of this author&#8217;s work, but she sounds intriguing!</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looking at her titles, Kevin, I&#039;m thrilled to see how many apparently different settings and subjects she tackles.  

I&#039;m not sure if you remember, but I bought &lt;em&gt;Offshore&lt;/em&gt; one day after asking if you had any recommendations for books similar to &lt;em&gt;A Month in the Country&lt;/em&gt;.  I had picked &lt;em&gt;Offshore&lt;/em&gt; off the bookstore shelf and thought, I wonder if Kevin has responded.  I looked it up, and sure enough you recommended &lt;em&gt;Offshore&lt;/em&gt;, the book I was holding.  I&#039;m not sure if I would have bought it that day or not without that final push.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looking at her titles, Kevin, I&#8217;m thrilled to see how many apparently different settings and subjects she tackles.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you remember, but I bought <em>Offshore</em> one day after asking if you had any recommendations for books similar to <em>A Month in the Country</em>.  I had picked <em>Offshore</em> off the bookstore shelf and thought, I wonder if Kevin has responded.  I looked it up, and sure enough you recommended <em>Offshore</em>, the book I was holding.  I&#8217;m not sure if I would have bought it that day or not without that final push.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the different opinions offered here, I would add another reason why I think Fitzgerald is such a good author -- her books are so different that no one can agree on which is best.  We haven&#039;t even mentioned Human Voices or the Blue Flower yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the different opinions offered here, I would add another reason why I think Fitzgerald is such a good author &#8212; her books are so different that no one can agree on which is best.  We haven&#8217;t even mentioned Human Voices or the Blue Flower yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of my least favourite Fitzgerald novels, My favourite: The Bookshop.</description>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kimbofo:  You are right.  Selvon&#039;s book is set a few decades earlier, but does convey the impression of the immigrant class that is essential to London functioning.  Spark&#039;s book is in the same time period as this one, although her characters are in a much higher social class than even Fitzgerald&#039;s.  If anything, Offshore is about a &quot;between-class&quot; that is trying to figure out what its opportunities are.  I think comparisons with the other two novels are quite appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kimbofo:  You are right.  Selvon&#8217;s book is set a few decades earlier, but does convey the impression of the immigrant class that is essential to London functioning.  Spark&#8217;s book is in the same time period as this one, although her characters are in a much higher social class than even Fitzgerald&#8217;s.  If anything, Offshore is about a &#8220;between-class&#8221; that is trying to figure out what its opportunities are.  I think comparisons with the other two novels are quite appropriate.</p>
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