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	<title>Comments on: May 31, 2010 &#8212; Jonathan Franzen: &#8220;Agreeable&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, Kevin.  I liked this story a lot, and it has indeed convinced me that I should pull down my copy of &lt;em&gt;The Corrections&lt;/em&gt; for a read -- finally.  I really liked Franzen&#039;s story last year too.  I heard these are both excerpts from his new novel, though I&#039;m at a loss to figure out how they might go together.  

Also, this is one of the exceptions to my bias against excertps being published in place of genuine short stories.  This was presented nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, Kevin.  I liked this story a lot, and it has indeed convinced me that I should pull down my copy of <em>The Corrections</em> for a read &#8212; finally.  I really liked Franzen&#8217;s story last year too.  I heard these are both excerpts from his new novel, though I&#8217;m at a loss to figure out how they might go together.  </p>
<p>Also, this is one of the exceptions to my bias against excertps being published in place of genuine short stories.  This was presented nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Monks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Monks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 07:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Franzen gets a bit of a bum rap. I thought, as you did, Kevin, that it was considerably &#039;clairvoyant&#039; (to pinch Bellow&#039;s term) about family, society, the parameters and gradations of inter-relationships amongst those that know each other too well etc and I thought it was a tight, admirable effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Franzen gets a bit of a bum rap. I thought, as you did, Kevin, that it was considerably &#8216;clairvoyant&#8217; (to pinch Bellow&#8217;s term) about family, society, the parameters and gradations of inter-relationships amongst those that know each other too well etc and I thought it was a tight, admirable effort.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinfromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 22:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of those readers who quite liked &lt;em&gt;The Corrections&lt;/em&gt;.  While I don&#039;t think it is a great novel -- and can appreciate the views of those who do not like it -- I found it highly readable, with many cogent observations.

And I like this story, subject to the same qualifications.  One of the things that I think Franzen does very well is contemplate the screwed-up order of things and ponder why that takes place.

The major event of this story should be the rape of Patty but for every character, including her, it becomes secondary -- it challenges what they stand for, but everyone finds a way to leverage the disgrace to support their going-in bias.  The coach wants to exploit it, her parents want to find a way around it, the perpetrator&#039;s parents want to deny it ever happened.  As for Patty, the physical effects were not much more than a rough game (Ethan did wear a condom, after all) and, while she moves into a more involved mode for a while, she retreats quickly in face of the social pressures around her.

I think that is a fair set of observations, delivered in more than adequate prose.  Critics of Franzen say he is glib and obvious and those criticisms could certainly be applied to this story.  I&#039;m willing to go with his flow -- I thought it was quite good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of those readers who quite liked <em>The Corrections</em>.  While I don&#8217;t think it is a great novel &#8212; and can appreciate the views of those who do not like it &#8212; I found it highly readable, with many cogent observations.</p>
<p>And I like this story, subject to the same qualifications.  One of the things that I think Franzen does very well is contemplate the screwed-up order of things and ponder why that takes place.</p>
<p>The major event of this story should be the rape of Patty but for every character, including her, it becomes secondary &#8212; it challenges what they stand for, but everyone finds a way to leverage the disgrace to support their going-in bias.  The coach wants to exploit it, her parents want to find a way around it, the perpetrator&#8217;s parents want to deny it ever happened.  As for Patty, the physical effects were not much more than a rough game (Ethan did wear a condom, after all) and, while she moves into a more involved mode for a while, she retreats quickly in face of the social pressures around her.</p>
<p>I think that is a fair set of observations, delivered in more than adequate prose.  Critics of Franzen say he is glib and obvious and those criticisms could certainly be applied to this story.  I&#8217;m willing to go with his flow &#8212; I thought it was quite good.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 14:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New fiction forum up.</description>
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