“Nettles”
by Alice Munro
from Hateship, Friendship, Courtship, Loveship, Marriage
Trevor
In another story about loss and how it reverberates across time, despite its continuous passage, Alice Munro starts to convince me that Hateship, Friendship, Courtship, Loveship, Marriage is her masterpiece.
This story takes place over three time periods separated by decades. The framing period is the closest to the present. Here the writer is looking back on the summer of 1979 when she encounters someone, a man, she hasn’t seen in decades. The story then goes back even further to when the writer and this someone first met, when she was eight and he was nine.
This childhood section is the narrator’s first vivid experience of some kind of love, as well as of the strange dynamics and differences between male and female. She is already developing the memories that will form her views on feminism and marriage later in life. While complicated, it is still a tender section. The nine-year-old boy’s name is Mike McCallum. He’s in town with his father who digs wells. When he leaves, the narrator hears another woman calling “Mike,” and she runs to see if her dear friend is back. He is not, alas; it is another Mike, one who is only five years old.
I stopped and starred at this child in disbelief, as if an outrageous, unfair enchantment had take place before my eyes.
With that, we go to 1979 when the narrator, now in her mid-30s, runs into Mike McCallum again. By this time, she has left her first husband and is telling her friends that “I am learning to leave a man free and to be free myself.” But she finds herself, dare I say, enchanted by Mike once again. They didn’t know much about each other as children, being too young to really gain any of that ancillary knowledge, and they haven’t been in touch since. Yet, in a way, there is a genuine connection between them that the narrator has not felt since.
But not all of this is real. Most of their most intimate connections are played out only in the narrator’s head. When they drive somewhere together, she imagines herself as the wife, being in the wife’s seat. This role she feels the desire to play, even if she’s been there and already hated it, is to give Mike an “amplified, an extended notion of himself.”
It’s just a bit later that her fantasies have to drop. It’s not because of anything major that happens to them. He is not cruel. They do not have sex. He simply tells her that last year he accidentally backed over his three-year-old son, killing him. Suddenly, the narrator knows that she doesn’t know Mike at all, can never know him. She has not the first clue what he’s been through and what he and his wife are going through together.
How, then, does the narrator have these strong feelings toward Mike? He seems to reciprocate them to a certain extent. They may never meet again, and if they do she senses nothing will change between them. They will not consummate their attraction. They will still be attracted. In a way, this love they share is all in their minds and based on nothing much. Because it stays there, it becomes so significant: “Not risking a thing yet staying alive as in a sweet trickle, an underground resource.”
This story reminds me a lot of so many of my favorite William Trevor stories, where vital relationships play out so much more in the mind than out in physical space, yet they are still powerful and very real. It’s a remarkable story.
Betsy
“Nettles” is a late, great Munro story about suffering. It is also about childhood, sex, marriage, motherhood, feminism, writing, and the postponement of ambition.
The narrator (let’s call her N) is on a weekend jaunt to visit an old friend, someone with whom she had shared pregnancies. In the old days, they had had many “a rampage of talk” about Simone de Beauvoir, Jung, Eliot, dreams, and “foregone ambitions.”
But there were babies to take care of. Their husbands were not particularly sympathetic.
Our husbands were not in this frame of mind at all. When we tried to talk about such things with them they would say, “Oh, that’s just literature” or “You sound like Philosophy 101.”
But now, N has left her husband.
I was hoping to make my living as a writer . . . What I wrote wasn’t any better than what I’d managed to write back in the old life while the potatoes cooked or the laundry thumped around in its automatic cycle. There was just more of it, and it wasn’t any worse — that was all.
It seems that N’s writing is also in an automatic cycle. What will make the difference? What will make the writing better?
In the end, we don’t know exactly what happened, except for this. She happens to meet, at Sunny’s house, a man she has not seen since she was eight and he was nine, or thereabouts.
They had had a friendship brought about by the fact that Mike’s father was drilling a well on N’s father’s farm. They spent a summer careening about doing daring things that were lots of fun. There was a happy equality about almost all the things they did together. N felt a terrible loneliness when Mike’s father was done with the well and the two of them moved on.
N pays some attention to the evolution of their friendship over the summer. Although the beginning was typified by adventures, the end was dominated by a game of war being held under the bridge. Two teams of boys pelted each other with mud-balls. The girls served the boys as munitions makers and nurses, thus acting out and trying out the roles society had seemed to require.
And then it was all over.
Now N and Mike are probably 35. N is divorced, Mike is not. Nonetheless, N does not think it all impossible that Mike will come to her bed. This seems to the reader wildly opportunistic, as if divorce has gone to her head. Even she admits as much.
The next day, they arrange to spend some time together, Mike playing a round of golf, N walking along. She makes a feminist observation to herself. Perhaps the purpose of her walking with him was to provide “an extended notion of himself.”
It turns out, though, that the reason she is there with him is that she is someone to whom he wants to tell the truth, the truth he can tell almost no one. The truth is that he had accidentally run over and killed his three-year-old son the year before.
N had spent a fair amount of effort telling us of her own “miseries.” Her marriage had devolved into “hypocrisy, deprivation, and shame.” She had lost her children. Her affairs, post-divorce, left her feeling “frightened of a kind of non-existence.” She spent time wondering what kind of “expectations of women” the men she met might have.
Suddenly, with Mike’s confession, she understands that there might be “misery,” but that then there was tragedy. She understood that he confessed to her because he thought she understood who he really was. She understood that they might well love each other. But she understood that he lived, together with his wife, in lives of suffering beyond what even war might cause, because it was suffering for which he (and maybe she) was responsible. There would be no affairs. There would be no leaving.
At this point in the story, although Munro doesn’t say so, feminism takes a back seat. At this point, feminism is irrelevant. And it is perhaps at this point that N becomes the writer she is going to be.
In closing, she tells us about the nettles of the title. That they are not what she thought they were. She’d thought they were the six foot tall rather grand joe-pye weed. And instead, nettles are rather “insignificant.” Nettles are on a spectrum of poisonous plants, and the troubles they cause are somewhat insignificant in comparison to the troubles caused by other plants and poisons. The issue here is that for the writer there is the question of scale and the question of point of view. There are N’s miseries, which are real enough, and then there is Mike McCallum’s suffering. There are times when being a “nurse” is to be confined and to be used, and there are times when being a nurse is to provide comfort to hopeless pain or sorrow.
What will make her the better writer? To keep going on an automatic cycle? To stay stuck in the past of de Beauvoir and Jung? Or to move forward into a world of experience and listening? Munro spells none of this out. It is up to the reader to make sense of the metaphor.
N mentions “a bridge between one thing and another,” the way in conversation a person might reply to a question with a comment like “Well.”
It is as if meeting Mike McCallum is just what N has experienced — that bridge between one thing and another, except that in her case, the bridge might be the bridge between the automatic cycle of feminism and a new sense of what men are truly like.
Note: Mike’s last name is McCallum, a Scottish name derived from St. Columba. Michael is from a Hebrew name meaning “who is like God.” The immense suffering that Mike must endure is perhaps a human version of what suffering God must endure (if there is a god, something on which Munro offers no opinion), and yet, saint like, he does not leave his wife, nor does he blame her. This is more of Munro’s exploration of what comprises human goodness.
Note: Munro’s “bridge between one thing and another” is also evident in “Floating Bridge” and possibly in “Comfort.”
Note: Nina, in “Comfort,” is her husband’s “pliant” and “smiling” wife, his “attendant,” which is a clue to the relationship. Jinny, in “Floating Bridge,” is such a one. To a degree, the narrator of “Nettles” is an attendant. Johanna, in “Hateship” is a nurse to her husband. One could argue that the stories of this book revolve around the idea of the woman’s role as the “smiling attendant,” or her rejection of that role.
Note: What is the primary impulse of the story? To look at the way a writer matures beyond the “automatic cycle.” French philosophy and feminism can be mere nettles. Profound suffering is something else.
Note: How is the story of their eight and nine year old adventures key to “Nettles”? Mike and N had a summer of equality that closed with a violent game of war when the boys and the girls suddenly assumed rigid roles — the boys, fighting to the death, and the girls making their munitions and nursing them.
And then Mike vanished.
It is as if this story presages what happens to men and women in their twenties and thirties (if it’s the nineteen fifties). The men must go out and battle each other for a living. The women must “nurse” them. And then, suddenly, it all breaks down. Marriages become a shell. Divorces happen. But life itself moves on. Death and illness approach. To face death and illness, all of the grievances must fall away. One could argue that the grievances of assigned sex role are child’s play to the real thing — the grief of death and illness.
Except for this. Sometimes the grievance of assigned sex role results in illness and death. But the fact is the real tragedy of life is loss. How do you tell the difference between child’s play and tragedy? How does the writer? To a degree, the role of the writer is that of the pliant attendant, the one who listens. The one who pays attention.
I decided to give this story a try. I didn’t love it nor did I dislike it, but I don’t think I have much to say about it. I was, however, reminded at one point of Haruki Murakami’s Hear the Wind Sing, which I read last month. Here is the relevant passage from his book:
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We curled up together and watched an old movie on TV as we munched on the
sandwiches.
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It was The Bridge on the River Kwai.
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She was moved by the scene at the end, where they blow up the bridge.
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“Then why did they work so hard to build it?” she sighed, pointing at Alec Guinness, who was standing transfixed by the sight.
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“Out of pride.”
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“Mmph,” she responded, her cheeks stuffed with bread, as she contemplated the nature of human pride. Then, as always, I had no idea at all what was going on inside her head.
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In Munro’s story, the discussion of the film could be meant as an insight about the nature of the characters based on how they think the story should have gone, or it could be a reference to the fact that the film was based on a novel that had a different ending. From the Wikipedia page about the film we get this:
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In the novel, the bridge is not destroyed: the train plummets into the river from a secondary charge placed by Warden, but Nicholson [played by Alec Guinness] (never realising “what have I done?”) does not fall onto the plunger, and the bridge suffers only minor damage. [Pierre] Boulle [the author of the novel the film is based on] nonetheless enjoyed the film version though he disagreed with its climax.
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Insofar as Munro’s story is partly about a person becoming a writer, the characters’ discussion of the film might reflect the novelist’s perspective of the story vs the filmmaker’s perspective: Team Pierre Boulle vs Team David Lean.
SHORT PLOT SUMMARY
As an 8 year old girl the narrator had a crush on 9 year old Mike. Decades later, when by chance the two of them meet again, what is between them is only ‘Love that was not usable, that knew its place’. The narrator is nevertheless haunted by the relationship.
SCORE 05/10 (with Munro’s title); 07/10 (with my title).
FAVOURITE BITS
1. ‘Mike’s father … ended nearly every speech with a laugh. The laugh had a lonely boom in it, as if he was still down the well.’ Oh brilliant.
2. And I love this observation when the 8 year old N doesn’t realise Mike Jnr is leaving and doesn’t realise how it will affect her:
‘I wonder now if there was a deliberate plan not to make too much of the occasion, to eliminate farewells, so that I—or we—should not become too unhappy and troublesome. It doesn’t seem likely that such account would be taken of children’s feelings, in those days. They were our business, to suffer or suppress.’
Strange coincidence Betsy. Munro uses the device of the unnamed first person narrator quite a lot in her stories. As I was doing my notes for this story, for the first time ever for a Munro story, I decided for convenience to use the abbrevation ‘N’ for the unnamed first person narrator of ‘Nettles’. I see you’ve done the same. Well.
So as I see it, there’s a bit of a vacuum at the centre of this story – namely that incident with the other car in the golf club car park. This incident happens at the turning point of the story, when N realises where her relationship with Mike is going – and where it isn’t going. She realises this via, among other things, Mike tactical taciturnity, as signalled by his repeated use of “well” at this important point in the story. So the detail of the disappearing car feels significant. (Was it a car hired by N’s jealous second husband? Is Mike’s wife not in Ireland at all, but keeping an eye on him instead? etc etc) But I believe this detail has no significance and it’s a Munro red herring – and a weak red herring at that.
Very hard for Munro fans like me to feast on things like this.
But this can be easily fixed. No need to alter the text of the story. Simply change the story title to ‘A Well Is A Hole In The Ground’. That would elevate the ‘mystery’ so it was a proper mystery – one that I could relish sinking my teeth into. The red herring would become a golden, er, dolphin. And the nettles would rightfully be relegated to a more insignificant place.
The childhood part takes place in very familiar Munrovia. Alice Munro feels convenient when she writes detailed descriptions of the past, anchored at a particular place. Also familiar that there are other reflections from her own life. The narrator seems to be more than a decade younger than A.M.
I liked enormously the long second chapter culminating in a maybe Korean inspired game of war. With my second reading I had a bimedia experience, opened Google Earth to look at Maitland river, following it from father´s house upstream to main road bridge (probably rebuilt), a distance of a little more than a kilometer. Happy surprise: there was an recent update with a much better picture quality than before, Dated 3/2019, spring time, not a stony road as in the story in August, no huts or other buildings on the river bank, much more water; there´s also been some river rehabilitation, the banks certainly more like a park than in Munro´s time.
There is an enlightening moment on the golf course, like Jill had on the floating bridge. Munro builds the story expertly up to that. As the narrator sees Mike again, she goes on and on with idealization of their childhood´s sweet and innocent love, or whatever it was, moved to present time; his bedclothes smelling of ‘water-weeds, river mud and reeds in the hot sun’.
Is “Nettles” a story about becoming a writer? Not really, the narrator is a writer and thinks she writes like she did before, only has time to do it more, relieved of her duties as a housewife. About becoming a better writer? Yes,if understanding a little more about human life and gradually quite a lot more makes a better writer. In Munro´s case of ‘writing her lives’, it did.
About red herring: I thought the only car belonged to the office person. After the rain the course was not playable and the employee of the club left.
By the way, at the time of the story, the narrator was not remarried, as we learn in the first chapter.
Like Trevor, I find the story remarkable and “Hateship” collection a masterpiece.
Nevertheless, there is an unconvincing detail. I do not wonder that Munro´s big city agent and editor(s) did not pay attention to it, but with her background on a nine acre farm, exploring every corner of it, the narrator (and A.M.) should know what a nettle looks like and what it gives rise to.
Relatives usually work hard to explain children that they should watch out for nettles. If they do not, they’ll soon find out. In many languages, in stead of the proper name people use some dialectal word which refers to and explains the stinging or burning qualities of the genus urtica, without ever getting to know the proper name nettle. Because I did not grow up with English language, I cannot have slightest idea of what they may have used in southern Ontario,
This comment is not about “Nettles”, but is about Alice Munro.
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If you were asked to name the two most prominent Canadian writers, you might name Alice Munro and Margaret Atwood. Well, you can get a dose of both of them together on this month’s The New Yorker podcast as Atwood reads and discusses Munro’s story “Corrie”, published by The New Yorker in 2010. You can find that here: https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/fiction/margaret-atwood-reads-alice-munro
Harri, you’ve pointed out some of the likely autobiographical elements in the story. That has got me thinking more about the ‘meaningless’ incident of the car in the golf club car park.
But first let me start by saying that I fully accept that of course stories contain elements that aren’t central to the plot/storyline, or perhaps barely even relate to it – elements that are scene-setting, atmosphere-building, that are there to provide context etc.
And with Munro I’d go further and say that because as a writer she so often has a nebulous way about her, that because her rich stories are often conundrums/mysteries, it just goes with the turf that there will be detail – a lot of detail – that is ‘only’ incidental. This is not to downgrade this sort of detail – it all goes towards creating the meaning of the story.
Well it does if it does its job properly.
But the incident of the car in the golf club car park doesn’t do its job properly. Here it is….
“That’s strange,” [Mike] said, looking around before he opened the trunk of the car to stow away the golf case.
“What happened to the guy who was parked here before? Didn’t you see another car parked here when we came in? But I never saw one other person on the course. Now that I think of it. Did you?”
I said no.
“Mystery,” he said. And again, “Well.”
When you first read this it feels like something distinctly significant to the plot/storyline is happening. But you get to the end of the story and it turns out it isn’t significant at all. It goes nowhere. So it isn’t fair!
It’s just there for scene-setting, atmosphere-building, to provide context? Well, that explanation doesn’t work for me.
So why is it there? Well, I suspect it’s there because it (or something very like it) actually happened. In other words, whatever real life events Munro is basing this part of the story on, included this car park incident. And the incident had some significance for Munro, so she felt she had to include it, otherwise the post-storm scene as a whole wouldn’t work or be complete. But she has singularly failed to communicate the significance it had to her – at least to this reader. The effect is to dump a red herring on us.
Well at least I have a theory now….
H&H, the car mystery seems to me to be there to suggest the degree to which Mike is concerned that someone might have seen them together and that might lead to his wife finding out. There being another car there and them not ever seeing the person it belonged to is not a strange thing, but given the guilt and worry he is feeling it becomes suspicious to him as a reflection of those feelings. Viewed that way, there is no actual mystery of the car for us to figure out or that we need to know more about. By making Mike react in a paranoid way it fulfills its role in the story. I’d classify it as neither a red herring nor an unresolved plot point.
Harri, David, it’s interesting to me that neither of you has a problem with this detail of the story. (And neither Trevor nor Betsy mention it.) Perhaps I’m so fixated on it because when I come to a new Munro story, almost the first thing I’m concerned to do is sort out (if I can) what’s going on in the story, what the plot is. And on this score, for sure Munro pays games with us – repeatedly. And, yes, I want to play.
‘Unresolved plot point’ puts well how I feel about it.
Incidentally I have no problem with how we’re introduced to this troublesome car:
‘Soon after that we pulled into the parking lot beside the clubhouse, and [Mike] said, rather boisterously, as if to make up for his stiffness, “Looks like the rain scare’s kept the Sunday golfers home.” There was only one car in the lot.
He got out and went into the office to pay the visitor’s fee.’
Here the car seems to be just a bit of scene-setting. Fine. No real need for it to be mentioned again – unless it’s supposed to be serving some other purpose.
David, your suggestion doesn’t work for me. Guilt? Worry? I can’t recall anything in the text to suggest anything other than that Mike is generally enjoying seeing the narrator again. After all, he invited her to accompany him to the golf club. And Sunny and Johnston, the only two people in the area who know him and the narrator, know good and well that the two of them are there together. Similarly I believe there’s nothing to suggest he was developing misgivings about the wisdom of that post-deluge kiss.
Howard,
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” I can’t recall anything in the text to suggest anything other than that Mike is generally enjoying seeing the narrator again. After all, he invited her to accompany him to the golf club.”
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But that’s the whole point. He does enjoy seeing her – too much. Or, at least, he enjoys seeing her in a way his wife would not approve of. That’s why he feels guilty and worries she might find out.
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“And Sunny and Johnston, the only two people in the area who know him and the narrator, know good and well that the two of them are there together.”
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Right, but (1) guilty fear need not be rational fear and (2) his thought could well be “what if the owner of the car knows Johnson and the owner saw them kissing and then the owner tells Johnson this funny story about seeing this couple kissing on the golf course in the rain and Johnson, who knows they went to play golf, figures it out, and then he tells Mike’s wife, or he then tells Sunny and she tells his wife….” (See point 1 – guilty fear need not be rational.)
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“Similarly I believe there’s nothing to suggest he was developing misgivings about the wisdom of that post-deluge kiss.”
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I think the contrast of his reaction to the lone car when they arrive and its absence when they leave is that very suggestion. That’s the role the car plays – to show us his misgiving. I didn’t find the mystery car to be a mystery at all.
David, thank you for indulging me. Your interpretation has a lot of common-sense about it. Once I’ve got Munro’s editor to agree to my change of story title from ‘Nettles’ to ‘A Well Is A Hole In The Ground’, I’ll try and get ‘Mike looked around uneasily’ worked into the paragraph about the kiss. Four little words, shouldn’t be a problem. That’ll sort it for me along the lines you’re suggesting.
Great conversation. Really enjoyed reading it. Glad to be reminded of “Bridge on the River Kwai” and the narrator’s remark that she found the ending “too complicated”. Need to revisit that whole thing. Never thought about it,
First thought – it has to do with her maturation as a writer – that she has a ways to go to understand life. Mike disagrees, thought the ending was “pretty good,” As if life is “pretty complicated”.
“Bridge on the River Kwai” connects to “Chance” in the next book, a quick reference to “Hiroshima, Mon Amour” and an overt discussion of guilt. I am thinking – there is guilt and then there is guilt.
In flipping through to find the movie reference, I noticed the color red. N’s mom washed the dog in tomato juice and it looked like it was being “washed in blood”. It reminds me that we are born bloody and must be washed clean. The place where her father killed the horses left the ground with a “deep blood stain.” And then Mike, the adult, is first seen spreading ketchup on a slice of bread. Then they lie down under the 6 foot tall purple blooming joe-pye-weed.
Layers of red – some profound, some not. Prefiguring the little boy’s death. And all our terrible, maybe inevitable, mistakes. How we have to live with them. How life is red in tooth and claw. How guilt is inevitable. How some guilt is unthinkable. I am reminded of the Munro title “What is Remembered.” How do we remember war? as a blood-stained ground? As needless death? necessary death? what do we forget? (the other car in the parking lot?)
As for the car! Totally missed that as well. Am wondering if it has to do with what is Mike’s continual preoccupation now – what is in the periphery of the car.
You remind me of Alice’s hyper focus. She packs her stories. I do not think any part of any story is unintended. No story is uncomplicated.
Note: joe-pye weed. The New York Times gardening archive tells me that Joe Pye was the (legendary) Native American who used the eponymous weed to treat a typhoid fever epidemic in colonial Massachusetts. So we have Mike’s unintentional killing of his son, and we have the English intentional extermination of the Native Americans. Which is the greater guilt? Which is the one we have buried deep in the consciousness? Munro amplifies that burial by using the conventional spelling of the weed – uncapitalized – joe-pye weed. Beheaded.
The wild joe-pye weed is blooming at the edge of our yard in Massachusetts right now.
I’ve truly been missing these Alice Munro discussions. Filled with anticipatory feelings for the upcoming analysis of “Post and Beam.”
It’s my fault, Heath! I will get that posted soon, to be followed more regularly (he says, hoping his calendar stays calm through the end of the year).
I beg of you! Please continue these Alice Munro discussions.